(02-11-2009, 02:38 PM)A. Crow link Wrote: I call that graph "yes, lets map the very subjective effects of some drugs/stimulants to a completely arbitrary scale without citing source data or well... anything... since only the single image was linked on digg."  or "How to annoy the fuck out of everyone by providing legalization zealots an argument that marijuana is no worse a drug than caffeine"   

Really, I don't friggin care if weed is legal, but the first misguided ignorant fuck who spouts "it's been proven that weed is no worse than caffeine" I'm going to beat to death with a crowbar.

(02-11-2009, 03:05 PM)Trace link Wrote: That's what you get for eating KFC  :-*

(02-11-2009, 03:36 PM)Caffeine link Wrote: [quote author=Trace link=topic=1507.msg66131#msg66131 date=1234382748]
That's what you get for eating KFC  :-*

(02-11-2009, 03:40 PM)cbre88x link Wrote: [quote author=Caffeine link=topic=1507.msg66145#msg66145 date=1234384575]
[quote author=Trace link=topic=1507.msg66131#msg66131 date=1234382748]
That's what you get for eating KFC  :-*

(02-11-2009, 01:51 PM)Caffeine link Wrote:

(02-11-2009, 10:07 PM)A. Crow link Wrote: I've known an incredible pot head who also played way too much wow.  When push came to shove, he tried to sell his wow account for drug money. 

And my cellphone is fine now, I've successfully finagled it back to health.

(02-11-2009, 11:01 PM)Ianki link Wrote: I counter this graph, with my own data that i have collected.  Obviously, you can see that Pot is clearly the worst drug to take if you want to feel like you're a cool guy.  It is second only to Heroin, which i suspect would make me feel like a complete douche.

(02-11-2009, 10:07 PM)A. Crow link Wrote: I've known an incredible pot head who also played way too much wow.  When push came to shove, he tried to sell his wow account for drug money.

(02-11-2009, 08:19 PM)rumsfald link Wrote: For example, the link between prolonged cigarette use and lung cancer, COPD, emphysema, etc. is pretty well established).

Quote:And I am not even going to bring porn addicts or nymphos into this discussion.

(02-11-2009, 08:19 PM)rumsfald link Wrote: Yes, there are a lot of problems with the scientific validity of the drug chart. Beyond the ones cited by Crow and seconded by CDUCK, the X-axis is missing sedatives/downers (benzos, barbs), stimulants/uppers (Ritalin, amphetamines), crack, and inhalants (whippets, paint fumes, etc), and the table below (individual bars) is missing lethality of overdose (how likely is an overdose to kill you), ease of overdose (how is fine is the line between getting "high" and OD), psychological dependence (where THC would score MUCH HIGHER than depicted), and mortality (how likely is prolong use of the substance going to kill you. For example, the link between prolonged cigarette use and lung cancer, COPD, emphysema, etc. is pretty well established).

However, adding the above information would not change the basic message conveyed by the image, which is: by any objective means, THC is not any more dangerous, and in some areas arguably less dangerous to public health than the legalized substances of alcohol, tobacco, and caffeine. Indeed, tobacco has one of the highest mortality rates and alcohol has one of the most lethal withdrawal symptoms of any drugs (inclusive of crack/cocaine/heroine, which tend to kill on the increased dependence/overdose end of things).

Where does THC score higher than most other substances: probably in psychological/behavioral addiction. Is it any more psychologically or behaviorally addictive than an MMORPG or FPS? While there is no hard research to support any conclusions, I would not wager that hardcore WoW-addicts are any better off in life than hardcore marijuana users.

And I am not even going to bring porn addicts or nymphos into this discussion.

(02-11-2009, 11:29 PM)BRITNEYSUCKS link Wrote: [quote author=A. Crow link=topic=1507.msg66208#msg66208 date=1234408036]
I've known an incredible pot head who also played way too much wow.  When push came to shove, he tried to sell his wow account for drug money. 

And my cellphone is fine now, I've successfully finagled it back to health.

(02-12-2009, 11:18 AM)ainmosni link Wrote: [quote author=rumsfald link=topic=1507.msg66197#msg66197 date=1234401576]

And I am not even going to bring porn addicts or nymphos into this discussion.

(02-11-2009, 08:19 PM)rumsfald link Wrote: tldq

(02-12-2009, 11:18 AM)ainmosni link Wrote: tldq

(02-12-2009, 03:10 PM)BRITNEYSUCKS link Wrote: Nobody here said

(02-12-2009, 03:10 PM)BRITNEYSUCKS link Wrote: [quote author=rumsfald link=topic=1507.msg66197#msg66197 date=1234401576]
tldq

(02-12-2009, 11:18 AM)ainmosni link Wrote: tldq

(02-12-2009, 07:44 PM)Fail Medic link Wrote: I'll restate something I said a while back despite its utter and complete irrelevance.  Skip this post; I have to vent.

I am anti-smoke everything.  Cigars, cigarettes, cloves, marijuana.  Doesn't matter.  Why?

It transmits.  It broadcasts.  It is the nature of smoke, particulate matter, that infuriates me. 

If I enter a public environment where any of these are permissible, I remove myself and I am irritated that I have to do so because of someone's pasttime / habit / etc. polluting everyone's fucking air.  Yes, that's my goddamn air you're fucking with doing that shit.

If I enter a private environment, like someone's home, where any of these are permissible, I quickly remove myself and I am sorry that I will not choose to stay there.

I don't have a chronic breathing problem or one that makes me physiologically intolerant.  My asthma's not an excuse.  I'm psychologically intolerant and will remain so because I demand the air I breath contains no traces of those substances.  House dust, burned gasoline, ragweed pollen, ammonia fumes (okay, maybe not that), fine.  But not those.  Wanna see me look like more of a 'tard than usual?  Put me in a room of smokers and watch me put my shirt over my mouth and nose as I dash for an exit.

I know I'm in the minority, but it's irrelevant.  I will remain an enemy to smoked products until my death.  Get patches, eat brownies, do fuck whatever else.  Can't you fucking find another delivery system than smoke?!?!   Damn it all!