Chet says "DLC Announcement Soon"

[Honest]

They need to get the server shit sorted out before they even think about DLC. And the SDK.

The hell are you talking about? I love randoming servers that I guess are hosted on the fucking moon or something. 1000 ping you say????

[copulatingduck]

[quote author=Mission Difficult link=topic=2086.msg60356#msg60356 date=1231219755]
They need to get the server shit sorted out before they even think about DLC. And the SDK.

The hell are you talking about? I love randoming servers that I guess are hosted on the fucking moon or something. 1000 ping you say????
[/quote]

does l4d timeout at mapchange as bad as tf2 does?

[Honest]

[quote author=Honest link=topic=2086.msg60357#msg60357 date=1231220082]
[quote author=Mission Difficult link=topic=2086.msg60356#msg60356 date=1231219755]
They need to get the server shit sorted out before they even think about DLC. And the SDK.

The hell are you talking about? I love randoming servers that I guess are hosted on the fucking moon or something. 1000 ping you say????
[/quote]

does l4d timeout at mapchange as bad as tf2 does?
[/quote]

Not really, I've only seen 2 servers do that.

[Surf314]

I hope it comes soon.

Wasn't the first TF2 DLC badlands anyway? That didn't come till 3 or 4 months after the game was out, so I don't see why everyone's stressing out about this.

I dunno I just thought L4D had less content than TF2 and cost more, yet it seems like they are giving it far less support.  I kinda bought it expecting they'd sort out the bugs that annoy me and add content or at least an SDK so the community can.

[CaffeinePowered]

The TF2 SDK was out a month before the game was, there's no excuse, none what so ever, they have the updated hammer files, they had to use them to make the fucking thing. They just won't release it to the general public.

[Surf314]

I'm sort of boycotting this game in the meantime.  Its a great game but I'm sick of this oh we promise you these things we won't deliver.  I mean you either are transparent or you keep things completely secret, quit teasing us valve!

[ToiletDuck]

people still play this game?

[fyre]

people still play this game?

Yes

I'm sort of boycotting this game in the meantime.  Its a great game but I'm sick of this oh we promise you these things we won't deliver.  I mean you either are transparent or you keep things completely secret, quit teasing us valve!

If people don't play it, why would they support it?

[Surf314]

[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=2086.msg60381#msg60381 date=1231252998]
I'm sort of boycotting this game in the meantime.  Its a great game but I'm sick of this oh we promise you these things we won't deliver.  I mean you either are transparent or you keep things completely secret, quit teasing us valve!

If people don't play it, why would they support it?
[/quote]

I own it, we played together.  Remember?  They keep stats of people playing though so if it drops off they know they need to do something to keep it going.  I'm pretty sure the TF2 updates started when the first big drop happened.

[CaffeinePowered]

I love the DCL emailer, this is more related to the TF2 drop on map change issue, first message is a reply to the second.

Message: 6
Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:23:49 -0500
From: Karl Weckstrom
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
      <hlds@list.valvesoftware.com>
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It's not that at all, at least not for me. Flagrant generalizations of the entire list? Hyperbole.

Bugs have severity. In the software development industry, you have "Minor" bugs (cosmetic, no functionality broken), Serious bugs (Limited functionality) and Show Stoppers (like the kind of bugs that wipe out an entire server's population).

I've already stated that Valve are visionaries in this field. And I assure you - I have a life outside of this list

We don't need to stop to think about Christmas when our servers are crapping out left and right because of Valve's lack of QA. This should have been caught and fixed long before the christmas season.

And I disagree with you on us not being the boss of Valve. We pay for their products. Without us to support them, Valve is doomed. *WE ARE THEIR BOSSES* as it is OUR money that powers their company. As such, I don't feel they are entitled to any such "break" when a huge problem like this exists.

If it were MY code at MY job dropping client connections like this, I would be under immense pressure to fix it. And I would be very wise to acknowledge this and move forward if I want to KEEP my job.

But what do I know. I'm just some kid who's got a wife, 3 kids and a $4400 mortgage. It's not like *I* matter!

-----Original Message-----
From: hlds-bounces@list.valvesoftware.com [mailto:hlds-bounces@list.valvesoftware.com] On Behalf Of Richard Eid
Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 11:13 AM
To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list
Subject: Re: [hlds] Valve It's Time To Listen And Answer!

If Valve doesn't do everything we say, they suck.  If Valve doesn't fix
everything now, they suck.  If Valve doesn't kiss our asses every second of
every day, they suck.  They don't care, they won't fix this, they refuse to
fix that.  All they want is our money.

You all sound like a broken record.  And worse than that, you have no lives
outside of this thing we have here.  Did anyone stop to think that since
they all busted their asses for who knows how long getting Left 4 Dead out
the door, while providing updates to TF2 the whole time, that maybe...just
maybe, they'd want to take a break for a little while during the holidays?
You know...so they could spend time with their families.

Honestly, since release of TOB, there have been a relentless amount of
updates to their products.  In the time that has passed from TOB until now,
the only people being neglected were probably most of the families of Valve
employees.  Does anyone feel they deserve a little break?

They're ignoring us?  Really?  You think so?  Does anyone here subscribe to
HLCoders?  A little civility goes a long way.  In my opinion, Valve isn't
ignoring this list, they just don't want to reply.  I swear, this list =
SPUF sometimes.  Any two words they say are held against them forever.

I know that a lot of kids subscribe to this list, so it would be difficult
for a lot of you to understand, but there is such a thing as priorities in
life.  Gaming is not as high on that list once you have a family to take
care of and a boss to answer to.  And you are not the boss of anyone at
Valve.

Valve knows about the problems, obviously.  You all keep saying the same
things over and over.  Give them a break.  Just because you didn't have
anything to do for the past couple of weeks doesn't mean they had to sit
around and hop on every little problem we have.  What happens when updates
are released to address the current existing issues?  Are you going to
apologize for acting like a bunch of assholes or are you going to feel
stupid for saying things like, "Valve doesn't care about their games
anymore"?  Wait...I know.  90% of you will say, "Finally."  5% won't be
happy no matter what.  4% will bring up another issue that Valve is
ignoring.  And 1% will say, "Thank you."

Yes, we paid money for the game.  But $50 does not give you the right to
treat the people trying to help you like shit.  Sometimes the problems that
you claim are easy fixes may not be so easy to fix.  And since most of you
know for a fact that it's an easy fix, there's always jobs@valvesoftware.com
.

Grow up.  They are aware of the problems.  Like Aaron said, there are your
priorities and then there are business priorities.  Just because the issues
high on your list may not be high on theirs doesn't mean they're ignoring
you.  But then, it would be stupid of me to assume that most of you would
understand any of that, especially given your attitudes over the past few
months.

                                                  -Richard Eid
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[KarthXLR]

I don't see why everyone won't stop nit-picking and just play the game.

[Spore]

I don't see why everyone won't stop nit-picking and just play the game.

Because the game has a Hell of a lot of problems and less variety than most expected.

[KarthXLR]

[quote author=Ye Salty Karth link=topic=2086.msg60448#msg60448 date=1231288297]
I don't see why everyone won't stop nit-picking and just play the game.

Because the game has a Hell of a lot of problems and less variety than most expected.
[/quote]

Problems like? Haven't seen one in a while. (I agree with variety, but for god's sake we end up playing the same map on TF2 a bunch anyways)

[Honest]

[quote author=Spore link=topic=2086.msg60450#msg60450 date=1231288635]
[quote author=Ye Salty Karth link=topic=2086.msg60448#msg60448 date=1231288297]
I don't see why everyone won't stop nit-picking and just play the game.

Because the game has a Hell of a lot of problems and less variety than most expected.
[/quote]

Problems like? Haven't seen one in a while. (I agree with variety, but for god's sake we end up playing the same map on TF2 a bunch anyways)
[/quote]

It's a lot worse for people who want to make maps and custom content, the server randomizer is kinda ass...while the game itself has no real issues a lot of the server side stuff needs to be punched in the gut.

[fyre]

...while the game itself has no real issues a lot of the server side stuff needs to be punched in the gut.

QFT. I still love the game though, and play it whenever I have time. The server thing actually works pretty well for playing with randoms IMO. It's pretty noob-friendly. It totally blows if you're in a community though. I agree that they need to release the damn SDK already.

I own it, we played together.  Remember?  They keep stats of people playing though so if it drops off they know they need to do something to keep it going.  I'm pretty sure the TF2 updates started when the first big drop happened.

Ehh....I guess I see what you're saying.

[Surf314]

Karth its a lot worse if you try and run a server.  But my other gripe is content, I bought it expecting the community to be able to make content even if valve didn't.  Four maps in a basically shared single player experience is kinda meh.  Even if it is an awesome 4 maps they still can get old.  Plus everyone knows all the exploits by now.

[CaffeinePowered]

[quote author=Spore link=topic=2086.msg60450#msg60450 date=1231288635]
[quote author=Ye Salty Karth link=topic=2086.msg60448#msg60448 date=1231288297]
I don't see why everyone won't stop nit-picking and just play the game.

Because the game has a Hell of a lot of problems and less variety than most expected.
[/quote]

Problems like? Haven't seen one in a while. (I agree with variety, but for god's sake we end up playing the same map on TF2 a bunch anyways)
[/quote]

Im sure a quick google search will find you lots of rants from server operators on why their end is so broken its not even funny

[KarthXLR]

Karth its a lot worse if you try and run a server.  But my other gripe is content, I bought it expecting the community to be able to make content even if valve didn't.  Four maps in a basically shared single player experience is kinda meh.  Even if it is an awesome 4 maps they still can get old.  Plus everyone knows all the exploits by now.

Nicely said. But truth be told, I don't think sending hatemail to Valve will do anything. Hatemail basically never works.

[Honest]

[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=2086.msg60485#msg60485 date=1231300688]
Karth its a lot worse if you try and run a server.  But my other gripe is content, I bought it expecting the community to be able to make content even if valve didn't.  Four maps in a basically shared single player experience is kinda meh.  Even if it is an awesome 4 maps they still can get old.  Plus everyone knows all the exploits by now.

Nicely said. But truth be told, I don't think sending hatemail to Valve will do anything. Hatemail basically never works.
[/quote]

Oh I am gonna send you so much hatemail for that.

Possibly even tell my livejournal about you.

[Dave]

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