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I hardly doubt any of you are living under a rock, so as this movement enters it's second month, what are your guys thoughts? What do you guys think about the global protests that have sprung up since the start of the year?

I disagree with corporations being able to contribute to politicians for obvious reason and the way that corporations spoil executives with stockholder equity.

(10-18-2011, 06:00 PM)matter11 link Wrote: [ -> ]I disagree with corporations being able to contribute to politicians for obvious reason and the way that corporations spoil executives with stockholder equity.

So that's why Scott Walker loves Koch.


I agree with what the protestors are generally protesting about/for but there needs to be a more defined goal for the protests, instead of "we hate the rich, tax the rich, big corporations are bad, down with capitalism" etc. When I first heard about it a while ago, I had a hard time figuring out what their main purpose was for the protesting and what they hoped to accomplish from waving around signs that stated their dislike for big banks, companies, etc.

(10-18-2011, 06:10 PM)Käse link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=matter11 link=topic=6040.msg227396#msg227396 date=1318978813]
I disagree with corporations being able to contribute to politicians for obvious reason and the way that corporations spoil executives with stockholder equity.

So that's why Scott Walker loves Koch.


I agree with what the protestors are generally protesting about/for but there needs to be a more defined goal for the protests, instead of "we hate the rich, tax the rich, big corporations are bad, down with capitalism" etc. When I first heard about it a while ago, I had a hard time figuring out what their main purpose was for the protesting and what they hoped to accomplish from waving around signs that stated their dislike for big banks, companies, etc.
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funnily enough the best article about #ows that i have read comes from FOX OF ALL PLACES
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/10/1...ll-street/
seriously though good article, read it

I'm a sympathizer, but I haven't participated. (Haven't encountered them either...)

I wholeheartedly agree and support the movement. I believe its progressing exactly how it should be as well; having a singular defined goal would be detrimental to the movement. Media, and people in general, loves having everything compacted into easily identifiable box. As I interpret it, the movement gives form to the general frustration of the last two generations(give or take) with the way the world is being handed to us. The lack of social consciousness exhibited by the "1%" is everything we were raised to hold in contempt, but are deceived into accepting at the status quo. Even contemplating it as such raises my bile.

Apathy justified by success is unconscionably criminal. If the movement is meant to reassert the morale center of society, I can't think of a more noble pursuit. Not with knowing even a fraction of what is going on in the world.

This whole country is a giant ponzi scheme. 

(10-18-2011, 07:12 PM)Goffin link Wrote: [ -> ]This whole country is a giant ponzi scheme.   

And it's about to imxplode.

There's definitely some fucked up shit going on in the Federal government that needs fixing. I fully support the separation of corporate money from law making/elections. I also support Congressional reform as well as election reform, that virtual filibuster bullshit needs stopped sooner than later. I want our elected congressmen and congresswomen to step up and do what's right for the USA as a whole, not the pathetic partisan bickering and mudslinging that is all too common these days.

I also believe that the need to compact the OWS movement to a single issue is not necessarily the right thing to do. The fact that the movement is decentralized and encompasses so many issues is telling and makes people at least think about what is going on when so many different regions are all participating. However I believe there should be some kind of end goal. It is impractical to think this movement as it exists now can last forever. What are the conditions that will satisfy that majority of the protestors? Most of the other major protests that happened this year in other countries had a condition that they were focused on fulfilling. For example, the protestors/rebels in Libya and Egypt wanted their respective leaders out of power. Or perhaps the OWS movement will spawn something bigger? While the OWS movement will end at some point, support for all the things it stands for may continue on in another form.

I will believe corporations are people when Texas executes one


Though in addition to ending corporate contributions entirely Id also like to see them end any contributions by any entity/group. Contributions can only come from an individual and there is a set maximum you can contribute.

If you want to lobby as a "group" get all of your members together and have them each individually gift some amount of money. Then its also traceable as to who gave what candidate money.


Like if a corporation has some big important project they want to lobby for, why not just send notice to shareholders 'Hey, XYZ will really affect our bottom line and your dividends/stockprice, if you are in favor of this contact your Rep. or donate to this candidate'.


Also if this is really going to have an impact it needs to get a lot bigger, like, actually clogging wall-street with bodies big.

I think they're occupying the wrong group of people. They should be here:





Take away the Government's power and they have none to give away. 

(10-19-2011, 09:08 AM)Dtrain323i link Wrote: [ -> ]Take away the Government's power and they have none to give away. 

(10-19-2011, 08:00 AM)Caffeine link Wrote: [ -> ]I will believe corporations are people when Texas executes one

The idea is to continue the national dialogue, and now we're too loud for the big media to go "SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP" anymore.

(10-19-2011, 09:48 AM)k0ala link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Caffeine link=topic=6040.msg227513#msg227513 date=1319029256]
I will believe corporations are people when Texas executes one

The idea is to continue the national dialogue, and now we're too loud for the big media to go "SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP" anymore.
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bingo. it's expected for people to show up for protest in DC. you put a protest in an unconventional place and you frame it a certain way..you've got the attention of the world.

(10-19-2011, 09:08 AM)Dtrain323i link Wrote: [ -> ]I think they're occupying the wrong group of people. They should be here:
- capitol building -
Take away the Government's power and they have none to give away. 

We can simultaneously blame those who bought power while we also hold accountable those who were bought. It seems our fellow citizens are capable of both.

I'm in business orgs now and I think the problem is becoming fairly obvious. We had a race to the bottom that Delaware won that made corporate laws super pro-management. There were good reasons and logic behind this decision initially. But the problem now is that management can make out like a bandit without being good at what they do. Then they make up new ways of doing even better, some legal and some not. Then they lobby politicians to let them push the envelope further and further.

The problem isn't really corporations, it's bad management of corporations.

(10-19-2011, 06:16 PM)rumsfald link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Dtrain323i link=topic=6040.msg227525#msg227525 date=1319033338]
I think they're occupying the wrong group of people. They should be here:
- capitol building -
Take away the Government's power and they have none to give away. 

We can simultaneously blame those who bought power while we also hold accountable those who were bought. It seems our fellow citizens are capable of both.

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Well, if anybody want to pay DC a visit, I can give you the grand tour