Would any one be interested co-founding a server that tailer's specifically to the people just wanting to dick around? I'm willing to share half the cost of a server (on one site I found a full 24 person server costs $30 a month, thats $15 for me and someone else to split).
My idea is it's basically a server that handles specific events, every other day. It will be locked on the days it does these events and open on the days it's free for regular play, so lets say:
Monday: Mele Only
Tuesday: Regular play
Wensday: Hunstsman Only
Thursday: Regular Play
Friday: Free play, you can do whatever or talk with an admin to organize an original non-regular event.
Saturday: Regular play
Sunday: Serious Business.
The majority of the day will be locked for anyone who wants to practice with other people/idle/ect on the event days, and the event it self will start the normal time FnF or TfT will start. (Note: For Friday the event will be held earlier or later then FnF so as not to interfere).
If theres interest for this sort of thing, then when people want to dick around, Brbuninstalling: Pure (what I've named it) can be locked down if it's not already and the dicking arounders can migrate to that server. So if anyones interested in putting this together and co-founding it, send me a PM.
It's hard enough to get anyone on one server, much less 3-4...
(07-08-2009, 01:57 PM)Wedge link Wrote: [ -> ]It's hard enough to get anyone on one server, much less 3-4...
Right now theres only #1 and #3, plus this wouldn't be a normal server.
i think the funds would be put to more use as an aid to the server fund
Can you get discounts on private servers? Â Because if this is what you want to do a perma-locked server would probably work. Â Also I know you need to talk to caff at least first.
(07-08-2009, 02:12 PM)Surf314 link Wrote: [ -> ]Can you get discounts on private servers? Â Because if this is what you want to do a perma-locked server would probably work. Â Also I know you need to talk to caff at least first.
private servers are usually 60% the cost of public servers or thereabouts.
And you probably don't really need full slots. Unless you really think you're gonna be able to get 24 people together to do specialized stuff.
(07-08-2009, 02:21 PM)Wedge link Wrote: [ -> ]And you probably don't really need full slots. Unless you really think you're gonna be able to get 24 people together to do specialized stuff.
That too. And yea, you should talk to Caff, this is pretty reminiscent of a convo some of us had the other day
(07-08-2009, 02:23 PM)CopulatingDuck link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Wedge link=topic=3235.msg95629#msg95629 date=1247080882]
And you probably don't really need full slots. Unless you really think you're gonna be able to get 24 people together to do specialized stuff.
That too. And yea, you should talk to Caff, this is pretty reminiscent of a convo some of us had the other day
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Well I wanted to see what everyones opinion on it was before going and making anything official. If theres interest in then ya talking to Caff is most likely the next step. I'm sure he will probably comment here as well.
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This was already what #2 was in some respects, but since Duck graduated we no longer have that server. Ive been in the process of talking to the admin-team on possible solutions and what we want to do in terms of re-organizing the servers. Solutions have yet to be cemented in stone though.
An always-private server is in fact cheaper (usually 50 - 66% the cost) than a public server, however, the big distinction between a pub and a private server are that pubs build communities and keep them together, privates only keep them together. A pub can be turned into a priv with the stroke of a key (see FNF/TFT).
Personally I'm not sure if we really need 3 TF2 servers, I've only seen all 3 full at one point and that was during the free weekend after the sniper update. #1 fills every day, but #2 and #3 filled much more sparingly (maybe 3 times a week max). The original reason for having a second (and third) server was for overflow from FNF/TFT, so people could play somewhere while they either waited to get in, or to just have a normal game on the event night (I experimented with dual running TFT with customs on both servers and it didn't go well).
Part of it is player mentality, you see #1 mostly full with all your friends, you aren't going to take the time to go seed a separate server, so everyone just piles into #1 and the game stays there. The other part is that fewer people, both in this community and in general, are playing TF2. Despite Valve's best efforts at keeping the game interesting with its content packs, the game has steadily bled away players. This makes it harder to both split the community between two servers and fill them in general (via pubbies joining).
One of the options is to potentially turn #3 into a hybrid with what #2 was, it would have a stock-only rotation with the option of some of the sillier custom maps on vote-only. If you wanted to run some kind of night I could easily adapt #3 for that purpose but rule enforcement would undoubtedly be a problem. A lot of the restriction plugin long-ago got broken because Valve keeps moving shit around every time it updates.
I would suggest you PM me this weekend and we can discuss the matter further if you are still interested. You probably don't want to try to run something every night, trust me, I tried, and it tires you out very very fast.
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To further this discussion a bit:
http://www.gameservers.com/game_servers/...ress_2.php
Private 16 man server is $12.75 a month. Kick in a buck over what you wanted to spend and you get to 20 man. $4 and 15 cents over what you wanted to spend gets you a full 24 man.
(07-08-2009, 02:31 PM)Caffeine link Wrote: [ -> ]<wall of text>
This was already what #2 was in some respects, but since Duck graduated we no longer have that server. Ive been in the process of talking to the admin-team on possible solutions and what we want to do in terms of re-organizing the servers. Solutions have yet to be cemented in stone though.
An always-private server is in fact cheaper (usually 50 - 66% the cost) than a public server, however, the big distinction between a pub and a private server are that pubs build communities and keep them together, privates only keep them together. A pub can be turned into a priv with the stroke of a key (see FNF/TFT).
Personally I'm not sure if we really need 3 TF2 servers, I've only seen all 3 full at one point and that was during the free weekend after the sniper update. #1 fills every day, but #2 and #3 filled much more sparingly (maybe 3 times a week max). The original reason for having a second (and third) server was for overflow from FNF/TFT, so people could play somewhere while they either waited to get in, or to just have a normal game on the event night (I experimented with dual running TFT with customs on both servers and it didn't go well).
Part of it is player mentality, you see #1 mostly full with all your friends, you aren't going to take the time to go seed a separate server, so everyone just piles into #1 and the game stays there. The other part is that fewer people, both in this community and in general, are playing TF2. Despite Valve's best efforts at keeping the game interesting with its content packs, the game has steadily bled away players. This makes it harder to both split the community between two servers and fill them in general (via pubbies joining).
One of the options is to potentially turn #3 into a hybrid with what #2 was, it would have a stock-only rotation with the option of some of the sillier custom maps on vote-only. If you wanted to run some kind of night I could easily adapt #3 for that purpose but rule enforcement would undoubtedly be a problem. A lot of the restriction plugin long-ago got broken because Valve keeps moving shit around every time it updates.
I would suggest you PM me this weekend and we can discuss the matter further if you are still interested. You probably don't want to try to run something every night, trust me, I tried, and it tires you out very very fast.
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aaand right on que.
I'm getting a better, more clear picture here from both Caff and Ducks posts. I agree it probably wouldn't need a full server and it would probably be best as a private server. But ya it's looking, especially from caff's post that it's probably not as good of an idea as I originally expected it to be. Still going to leave this open to see what others say.
(07-08-2009, 02:34 PM)Surf314 link Wrote: [ -> ]To further this discussion a bit:
http://www.gameservers.com/game_servers/...ress_2.php
Private 16 man server is $12.75 a month. Kick in a buck over what you wanted to spend and you get to 20 man. $4 and 15 cents over what you wanted to spend gets you a full 24 man.
I would/will fund that my self entirely if there is interest in a private server
i actually would be interested in this
if there was a way we could "RTV" to a different type of game
ie. if i wanna play melee only we could vote on it and the server would run a plugin that removes other weapons
if you could get something like that to work, id say go for it
it was called server #2 and it never ever got used. dont waste your money
and im guessing server quality doesnt matter much game game servers are incredible turds. i can hook you up with a 23? slot NFO for like 19 a month which is what im currently using as a match server
Yeah, I'd like to see the old #2 be back. Like, before nocrits.
Serious maps and silly maps, people can rtv to silly maps at will.Â
(07-08-2009, 06:49 PM)Geoff link Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I'd like to see the old #2 be back. Like, before nocrits.
Serious maps and silly maps, people can rtv to silly maps at will.Â
Agreed, but I'd like too see 2 as that. We already have 3 servers which itself a bit much. Anymore and you risk spreading the community to wide.
(07-08-2009, 06:57 PM)Scary Womanizing Pig Mask link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=Geoff link=topic=3235.msg95717#msg95717 date=1247096995]
Yeah, I'd like to see the old #2 be back. Like, before nocrits.
Serious maps and silly maps, people can rtv to silly maps at will.Â
Agreed, but I'd like too see 2 as that. We already have 3 servers which itself a bit much. Anymore and you risk spreading the community to wide.
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2 is gonna be 24/7 pl_awesome it's been said so many times already
#2 was full at least 3-4 days a week before it became shitfuck PL_AWESOME and WACKYRACES 24/7 due to "POPULAR REQUEST" (like 5 people who never seeded it anyways). Then, when the update fucked up the rotation and it went back to normal maps with no plugins, I could seed and have a full server of people doing anything from melee only to mic spamming while srsplay to god knows whatever else bullshit we could come up with and having a blast for hours. It wasn't 4chan meme shit, it wasn't 5 people playing clips/songs at once, it wasn't 6 people insisting on melee/stupid playstyle and cussing everyone out, it was a civilized play server where everyone modded themselves/each other in terms of music, game type, maps, whatever.
From this point it went back to being full 2-4 days a week upon seeding with no problems. This would go on until inevitably about once a week, one or two people who generally frequented #1 would hop on and throw a bitchfit because myself, Sponson, Honest, random BRBU member, or pubs were doing "stupid shit" (melee only, dancing, whatever) or mic spamming, even though there were no complaints prior. Instead of using player mute, or going back to srsmode #1 because they didn't want to play all spy match, on several occasions we had a single person go complain to an admin and they would mute/kick/ban the "ringleader" without asking questions, often emptying the server immediately afterwards. One time that tickled my fancy was when I got banned for micspamming when I was pretty much the only one in the server who WASN'T doing it for once.
A second, bullshit server is a great idea, as long as that can stay out of a serious server. In the same mentality, people who hate shit like bullshitting around, playing music, dancing, doing spycrab raves, whatever, need to stay on a srsmode server and not bring that shit over when a majority of people are enjoying themselves without their interjections.