04-04-2011, 12:20 AM
Okay, I was hoping this wouldn't become too much of a problem, but it has. A bunch of you probably already know what this thread is about, and what precipitated it. For those of you that don't, allow me to paint you a familiar picture:
Coming off of our highlander match (a loss), I was feeling kinda pissy and felt like doing some open play on Red. I connect and behold that the team scores are terribly stacked in one direction. The names on the scoreboards aren't those of regulars, but their avatars or names match. Some people have joined Red server and have begun to stack one team. A few rounds in and it's pretty clear how the play is going. One team getting rolled, and a lot of players getting upset and not having fun. A votescramble is passed. Most of the offenders are split up, but they immediately began reorganizing onto one team. An rtv is called, and at the start of the next map, the same teams are formed again. You all know exactly what I'm referring to, and the fact that you have experienced it firsthand and continue to do so is a sign of failure in the conduct of server moderation. People start to voice over in-game VOIP and mumble that teamstacking is going on. After another map change, I felt that it was in the server's best interest to shake those players. A quick switch to an unpopular map and a blocked rtv attempt by Loqutus and our server had mostly regulars again. This phenomenon is nothing new, but tonight it caught me in when I was in a particularly foul mood. Allow me to stake my credibility on the proclamation that I will make it a personal fucking mission to get this problem fixed, by whatever means necessary.
That is, only if you guys agree as a community.
I know, it's bad to get involved in player and server politics. You can't dictate how people play etc. But we're at the point that most people agree that the server (and the community) is being harmed by this teamstacking. I also know that it's bad to "Name and Shame". But I can't give a fuck anymore:
Estabished offenders:
KaraBear - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=68794
Yaug - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...layer=6842
Romeo love - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...player=352
Dbz - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=27762
Pump-Action Jackson - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=26538
(several players from team Target Sucks on other occasions)
First time offenders:
Dr. Salvador - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=89848
Reeoooooo - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...layer=5347
Purple Scented - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=89845
Novice - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...layer=1053
Andyzweb - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=89831 (reported by Loqutus)
Lain - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=57212 (reported by Loqutus)
Necromentia - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=89841 (reported by Loqutus)
I hate to bitch excessively, but our server is being harmed by these players. After tonight's fiasco, I spoke with the regulars who remained to get their thoughts on what had transpired. Most of the seasoned players agreed that when these teamstacks occur, they are inclined to stop playing because they have less fun. That's it. We can value fairness and open server play, but we should value the playing experiences of our regulars above that of outsiders to the community.
I post this knowing well that it brings dissonance and potential harm to BRBu, and knowing that anyone who visits the site can see this. But this has to stop. No one has fun when this happens. We should not let it happen.
So basically, I need you guys to share your thoughts now, as to whether this is something worth pursuing, whether you know these players personally and can influence some amount of change, whether this behavior is worth tolerating ever. I'm obviously not objective right now, so if you think my view on what's been going on is skewed please speak up so that reason can prevail. With this topic being brought to light now, at the risk of starting a witch-hunt, I'd like everyone to share if they are aware of other players that exhibit similar behavior. Remember that the goal here is not to attack established community members who may be guilty from time to time, but to identify groups of teamstackers who consistently harm the community.
Coming off of our highlander match (a loss), I was feeling kinda pissy and felt like doing some open play on Red. I connect and behold that the team scores are terribly stacked in one direction. The names on the scoreboards aren't those of regulars, but their avatars or names match. Some people have joined Red server and have begun to stack one team. A few rounds in and it's pretty clear how the play is going. One team getting rolled, and a lot of players getting upset and not having fun. A votescramble is passed. Most of the offenders are split up, but they immediately began reorganizing onto one team. An rtv is called, and at the start of the next map, the same teams are formed again. You all know exactly what I'm referring to, and the fact that you have experienced it firsthand and continue to do so is a sign of failure in the conduct of server moderation. People start to voice over in-game VOIP and mumble that teamstacking is going on. After another map change, I felt that it was in the server's best interest to shake those players. A quick switch to an unpopular map and a blocked rtv attempt by Loqutus and our server had mostly regulars again. This phenomenon is nothing new, but tonight it caught me in when I was in a particularly foul mood. Allow me to stake my credibility on the proclamation that I will make it a personal fucking mission to get this problem fixed, by whatever means necessary.
That is, only if you guys agree as a community.
I know, it's bad to get involved in player and server politics. You can't dictate how people play etc. But we're at the point that most people agree that the server (and the community) is being harmed by this teamstacking. I also know that it's bad to "Name and Shame". But I can't give a fuck anymore:
Estabished offenders:
KaraBear - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=68794
Yaug - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...layer=6842
Romeo love - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...player=352
Dbz - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=27762
Pump-Action Jackson - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=26538
(several players from team Target Sucks on other occasions)
First time offenders:
Dr. Salvador - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=89848
Reeoooooo - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...layer=5347
Purple Scented - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=89845
Novice - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...layer=1053
Andyzweb - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=89831 (reported by Loqutus)
Lain - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=57212 (reported by Loqutus)
Necromentia - http://www.brbuninstalling.com/hlstats/h...ayer=89841 (reported by Loqutus)
I hate to bitch excessively, but our server is being harmed by these players. After tonight's fiasco, I spoke with the regulars who remained to get their thoughts on what had transpired. Most of the seasoned players agreed that when these teamstacks occur, they are inclined to stop playing because they have less fun. That's it. We can value fairness and open server play, but we should value the playing experiences of our regulars above that of outsiders to the community.
I post this knowing well that it brings dissonance and potential harm to BRBu, and knowing that anyone who visits the site can see this. But this has to stop. No one has fun when this happens. We should not let it happen.
So basically, I need you guys to share your thoughts now, as to whether this is something worth pursuing, whether you know these players personally and can influence some amount of change, whether this behavior is worth tolerating ever. I'm obviously not objective right now, so if you think my view on what's been going on is skewed please speak up so that reason can prevail. With this topic being brought to light now, at the risk of starting a witch-hunt, I'd like everyone to share if they are aware of other players that exhibit similar behavior. Remember that the goal here is not to attack established community members who may be guilty from time to time, but to identify groups of teamstackers who consistently harm the community.
Quote:Loqutus [Bulletproof]: ... didn't realize there were so many
Loqutus [Bulletproof]: It's not helping anything, what's going on
Loqutus [Bulletproof]: Total domination doesn't help a community thrive