Backburner FIXED! Health bonus removed.

[CaffeinePowered]

+1 Dave, -1 Eschatos

Don't listen to the old folks who have been playing FPS games since doom, they clearly wouldn't know when something isn't overpowered.

[rumsfald]

For Caff, Kor, negate, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKR3QU3dB0M

For Eschatos, BeardedMiamiMan, Redjacket, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFK1yKfiGo

[cbre88x]

Now, if I hear any fucking whining over the backburner after this update I am just going to go ballistic over the mic.

[El_Fajitas]

I think the rules state you can go ballistic if that does happen.

[A. Crow]

meh, I'm willing to accept this.  Caff was even douche good enough to message me directly to tell me about it shortly after the patch landed, interrupting Chrono Trigger.

No. More. Bitching.

For Eschatos, BeardedMiamiMan, Redjacket, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFK1yKfiGo

Funny. +1

[Loqutus]

Loqutus, you're supposed to post update in the updates thread. You're stealing my thread!  >

My apologies. I was just so elated that I had to share it with all of you all at once!

[hawtpawkithero]

yay

[Vongore]

Thank you..


thankyouthankyouthankyou

[Spore]

Took them long enough.

[HeK]

Hey! I can now take out BB-users with my normal airblast thrower......

[ToiletDuck]

valve has a very nd

[Versus]

valve has a very nd

seconded

[REDjackeT]

[quote author=KarthXLR link=topic=1005.msg25966#msg25966 date=1217375466]
"Players killing themselves will now give a kill credit to the last enemy who damaged them"

I don't like this part as much. :<

<3 this.

I hate when a soldier takes me with him and I get no point.
[/quote]
Or when they kill themselves while on fire and near death...

For Eschatos, BeardedMiamiMan, Redjacket, etc.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFK1yKfiGo

now now... I can kill people with the FT without using the AB at all, so don't expect me to not still destroy people.

expect me to run away like a girl scout from a questionable hobo even more then I already do actually...

[zaneyard]

what the should have done to compensate is make the bb have a little more range on the ft to give it an edge over the ab

[REDjackeT]

what the should have done to compensate is make the bb have a little more range on the ft to give it an edge over the ab

nah... It's hard to hit at max range as it is when people dodge about, a little more range wont really help anything.  I'm sure if the BB isn't "good enough" now valve will see it via play-testing or player feedback and adjust it.

[erraticferret]

what the should have done to compensate is make the bb have a little more range on the ft to give it an edge over the ab

You don't think crit backs are enough? Bb gets the drop on a normal pyro and there's not much they can do, besides air blast and run from the incoming shotgun fire...

[zaneyard]

[quote author=zaneyard link=topic=1005.msg26057#msg26057 date=1217393262]
what the should have done to compensate is make the bb have a little more range on the ft to give it an edge over the ab

You don't think crit backs are enough? Bb gets the drop on a normal pyro and there's not much they can do, besides air blast and run from the incoming shotgun fire...
[/quote]
true it just seems to be in shadow of the FT now
i guess im just weird and dont ever play pryo

[CaffeinePowered]

[quote author=erraticferret link=topic=1005.msg26067#msg26067 date=1217394024]
[quote author=zaneyard link=topic=1005.msg26057#msg26057 date=1217393262]
what the should have done to compensate is make the bb have a little more range on the ft to give it an edge over the ab

You don't think crit backs are enough? Bb gets the drop on a normal pyro and there's not much they can do, besides air blast and run from the incoming shotgun fire...
[/quote]
true it just seems to be in shadow of the FT now
i guess im just weird and dont ever play pryo
[/quote]

The problem is that people fire the flames on the BB too soon and thus the falloff is what crits, so maybe you are doing 15 damage a hit instead of 35. Wait until the nozzle is practically shoved up someone's ass before firing.

[REDjackeT]

[quote author=zaneyard link=topic=1005.msg26070#msg26070 date=1217394136]
[quote author=erraticferret link=topic=1005.msg26067#msg26067 date=1217394024]
[quote author=zaneyard link=topic=1005.msg26057#msg26057 date=1217393262]
what the should have done to compensate is make the bb have a little more range on the ft to give it an edge over the ab

You don't think crit backs are enough? Bb gets the drop on a normal pyro and there's not much they can do, besides air blast and run from the incoming shotgun fire...
[/quote]
true it just seems to be in shadow of the FT now
i guess im just weird and dont ever play pryo
[/quote]

The problem is that people fire the flames on the BB too soon and thus the falloff is what crits, so maybe you are doing 15 damage a hit instead of 35. Wait until the nozzle is practically shoved up someone's ass before firing.
[/quote]
I'm pretty sure the flamethrower doesn't suffer falloff on crits.  I just loaded up the pyro achievement map, spawned a heavy bot, and BB'd it from near the tail end of the flame, and point blank... seemed to die in the same amount of time (faster then I ever can in a real game, grrr).

The real issue with not waiting is that it's easier to evade (accidental evasion ot otherwise) the flames from further away, not that they do less actual damage.  Not that it's an issue that needs fixing or anything.

[ainmosni]

The best thing about this is that we'll have less QQing even when I use the normal flamer. (which I have used most of the time lately anyway)

Anyway, is this really sticky worthy, in like a week this thread won't be relevant anymore...