Why Bethesda sucks and Fallout 3 will suck

[CaffeinePowered]

I would like to make one other thing of note rummy, I somehow doubt that if its successful they would make a 'real RPG' like fallout. I think they'd just make another FPS instead  :-\

[Versus]

they need to port fallout and fallout 2 to the DS.

[Squishy3]

CoD 1 an 2 were good, 3 sucked, 4 was fucking amazing, and I'm actually looking forward to 5.

[cbre88x]

CoD 1 an 2 were good, 3 sucked, 4 was fucking amazing, and I'm actually looking forward to World at War.

Fixed.

[Maxon]

[quote author=Squishy3 link=topic=95.msg43783#msg43783 date=1223754590]
CoD 1 an 2 were good, 3 sucked, 4 was fucking amazing, and I'm actually looking forward to World at War.

Fixed.
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Fixed and not fixed cause they are actually making Call of Duty 5 lol

[Dave]

[quote author=cbre88x link=topic=95.msg43802#msg43802 date=1223759247]
[quote author=Squishy3 link=topic=95.msg43783#msg43783 date=1223754590]
Why dont we ever play TF2 with dave anymore?

I dont know i really miss the good times.
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Whos dave?
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fix <3

[cbre88x]

[quote author=cbre88x link=topic=95.msg43802#msg43802 date=1223759247]
[quote author=Squishy3 link=topic=95.msg43783#msg43783 date=1223754590]
CoD 1 an 2 were good, 3 sucked, 4 was fucking amazing, and I'm actually looking forward to World at War.

Fixed.
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Fixed and not fixed cause they are actually making Call of Duty 5 lol
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That's a no brainer, but do you know anything about it? If you do..where the hell do you get your news..I want to know about it.

[Squishy3]

[quote author=Maxon link=topic=95.msg43806#msg43806 date=1223759697]
[quote author=cbre88x link=topic=95.msg43802#msg43802 date=1223759247]
[quote author=Squishy3 link=topic=95.msg43783#msg43783 date=1223754590]
CoD 1 an 2 were good, 3 sucked, 4 was fucking amazing, and I'm actually looking forward to World at War.

Fixed.
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Fixed and not fixed cause they are actually making Call of Duty 5 lol
[/quote]

That's a no brainer, but do you know anything about it? If you do..where the hell do you get your news..I want to know about it.
[/quote]as far as I'm concerned world at war is CoD5, I don't care if it has a fancy title, it's CoD5

[rumsfald]

I would like to make one other thing of note rummy, I somehow doubt that if its successful they would make a 'real RPG' like fallout. I think they'd just make another FPS instead  :-\

IF "they" == "Bethesda" THEN "Caffeine" == "Right"
IF "they" != "Bethesda" THEN "we have a chance"

Sure, I can see Bethesda continuing to make FPS/RPG games like oblivion for as long as people eat them up.  My hope is that some other developer wants to license the now revived IP to make a more niche rpg.  I'm thinking either the a remake on the DS (like FFIV), or a new story in the Fallout universe.

[Dave]

[quote author=CaffeinePowered link=topic=95.msg43780#msg43780 date=1223750075]
I would like to make one other thing of note rummy, I somehow doubt that if its successful they would make a 'real RPG' like fallout. I think they'd just make another FPS instead  :-\

IF "they" == "Bethesda" THEN "Caffeine" == "Right"
IF "they" != "Bethesda" THEN "we have a chance"
ELSE Print "i nearly understood this joke, nearly."

Sure, I can see Bethesda continuing to make FPS/RPG games like oblivion for as long as people eat them up.  My hope is that some other developer wants to license the now revived IP to make a more niche rpg.  I'm thinking either the a remake on the DS (like FFIV), or a new story in the Fallout universe.
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[CaffeinePowered]

PC Version review translated from PC Gamer (Sweden)

I just got the October issue of swedish PC gamer and they have a review of the PC version of fallout 3.
In short:
score: 81%
Pros:
VATS
SPECIAL
Megaton at night
Cons:
A feeling of lifeless backdrops
Lifeless/stale Characters
To much on a too small area

Its Written by Joakim Bennet, who has proclaimed love for Fallout many times over the years he has been at PC gamer sweden.

Other short stuff(not quotes):
Vats is great, realtime combat isnt. The realtime combat (damage/hits etc) doesnt seem to be in sync with whats happening on the screen.
HtH combat in 3rd person is just as bad as in oblivion
Bennet misses the world map, random encunters, the empty wastes.
AI isn’t great. Enemies running in circles and no reaction from NPC that gets hot from a long distance is quite common.
You can pick up anything that isn’t bolted to the floor.
The SPECIAL system and Perks works great

He also writes about four important points and compare them to the originals:
The Fallout atmosphere
The story
Combat
Perspective(transition to 3d)
Bennet writes that the game delivers on these four points but not all the way.

Heres some short translated segments (English isn´t perfect though ):

“I`m going to take the edge of this review right away. Fallout 3 IS “Oblivion with guns”, No matter what i said earlier. There, I said it, now theres no return.”

“…And everything would be wonderful but that feeling that the game is missing something. I cant quite define it, Call it a feeling, call it whatever you want, but when the gates of vault 101 lies far behind me, the eyes have adapted to the light and 15 hours have passed i start to think. About hopes that have fallen short.
Because in fallout 3 i get most things served on a silver plate right away. Bethesda has tried to fit as much content as possible on a little area. One second im running into a pack of Radscorpions while 30 meters further ahead theres a little settler town. Around the corner i meet some slavers with their captured slaves and beyond the hill some raiders have set up camp. A few minutes of running brings me to some ruins swarming with lethal deathclaws that wants to eat me. Its compressed, maximized and anonymous all at once. It feels like a huge orgy where no ones want to actually “do it”. A lot of bumping and grinding but no friction and no excitement. Many parts but they don’t paint a whole picture.”

“Fallout 3 is an uneven game if I´ve ever seen one”

“I manage to “aquire” a house that I decoratedin pre-war style, and my very own robot-butler, Wadsworth, that always greets me with a delighted cry and calls me madame. But when i sit down in an old dusty sofa and listen to Maybe by The Inkspots on my Pipboy 3000, i notice how soulless my own character is. Lifeless eyes, skin that looks like plastic. Fake. Phony. Bethesda still haven’t managed to instill life into many if the people that inhabit their universe.”

He doesn’t like the voice actors but the dialog is good:

“the dialogs will piss people off, but mostly because they are recorded with voice actors of extremely varying quality. Had some of the lines been put into the original games or vice versa, no one would have complained.”

“… But first and foremost, the game doesn’t let go of you, despite flaws. the story always makes you want to take a few steps more, and after every disappointment there will be a moment of awe. The details, the at times stunning landscape and the possibility to change the main characters look in all eternity.”

“Its hard to let go of my baggage as an old Fallout player, but when i sit down with the third part of the game i really try to stop comparing the games, and at once it feels much better.”

[Tragic Hero]

Review is what I would have expected.  From what he says it sounds very much like Oblivion with guns. 

“…And everything would be wonderful but that feeling that the game is missing something. I cant quite define it, Call it a feeling, call it whatever you want, but when the gates of vault 101 lies far behind me, the eyes have adapted to the light and 15 hours have passed i start to think. About hopes that have fallen short.
Because in fallout 3 i get most things served on a silver plate right away. Bethesda has tried to fit as much content as possible on a little area. One second im running into a pack of Radscorpions while 30 meters further ahead theres a little settler town. Around the corner i meet some slavers with their captured slaves and beyond the hill some raiders have set up camp. A few minutes of running brings me to some ruins swarming with lethal deathclaws that wants to eat me. Its compressed, maximized and anonymous all at once. It feels like a huge orgy where no ones want to actually “do it”. A lot of bumping and grinding but no friction and no excitement. Many parts but they don’t paint a whole picture.”

That is the most disheartening thing I read through all of it.  That Bethesda would just kind of throw all the wasteland as to offer at you right out of the game and put no love in it.

[x]

Shacknews' review is pretty positive. Mentions a couple of times how it evokes the feel of an old-school PC RPG, with that Deus Ex-esque FPS-RPG hybrid gameplay.

[mavrick_nav]

im gunna try fallout 3 in a day or two, thanks internet. if its good ill buy it. but im mainly just impatient so i wanna try it NOW

[CaffeinePowered]

Shacknews' review is pretty positive. Mentions a couple of times how it evokes the feel of an old-school PC RPG, with that Deus Ex-esque FPS-RPG hybrid gameplay.

This was actually encouraging, especially this part

"More than that, as I stated above, Fallout 3 just feels like a PC game."


That makes me happy, Im going to torrent it today and if I do enjoy it I will be purchasing.

[Tragic Hero]

6 more hours *not* left.  Unfortunately its just *isn't* a clone CD so I have to *not* wait for a NoCD crack or patch before I can play. 

[x]

6 more hours left.  Unfortunately its just a clone CD so I have to wait for a NoCD crack or patch before I can play.  Anyone know of one for the time being?

I know Scotty's pretty lenient about this sort of discussion but you're possibly taking the piss slightly now.

[Tragic Hero]

Fixed

[ScottyGrayskull]

[quote author=Tragic Hero link=topic=95.msg46305#msg46305 date=1225198266]
6 more hours left.  Unfortunately its just a clone CD so I have to wait for a NoCD crack or patch before I can play.  Anyone know of one for the time being?

I know Scotty's pretty lenient about this sort of discussion but you're possibly taking the piss slightly now.
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Which is why TH should check his PM inbox.

Personally I don't have a problem with nocd cracks. If I don't want to have to have the disc in the drive for a game I paid for, that should be an option I have. Sure, they make pirating easier, but so does the internet.

Within the confines of this forum however they do fall under those things that could violate my ToS, so... keep stuff like that private please.

[mavrick_nav]

well i got 1 or less hours on the download. then i will post install screenies and such, if that is OK'd. then i will play thru it a bit. ill make note of the voices and comedy, as i have played f1 and f2, i have also played the Van Buren tech demo a bit.