God, I want to rage SO BADLY.

[KarthXLR]

edit: Karth, just shutup. All your complaints are just making you look like a n00b spy, which you claim you aren't. You're just digging your hole deeper.

Complaints?

All I've said is that the hitboxes are glitching up more and more with each update.

And also, the turning around thing, if you've ever played spy, you should know how frustrating it is when someone turns around half a second before a backstab. Especially a heavy.

Also, I never claimed I was a spy of the God's. What are you talking about?

[copulatingduck]

You've insisted on several occasions "Y'know, I'm actually a pretty good spy and sniper" in-game. Not saying you're a spy of the gods, but if you're gonna call yourself good, don't make noob complaints. :-\

Complaints?

You saying you didn't poop this one out before thinking about what you were saying?

Spy check is becoming to frequent.

He should get a fire proof vest or something.

I mean, c'mon. You're a spy. Complaining about spy-checking. C'mon. C'MON.

[Budr]

If a spy does manage to take out the bulk of an enemy team, it's not that the spy is good (though I have no doubt that he is) it's that the enemy team is fucking stupid. If you're hoping to be a one-man army go play on a fucking Noobs Only Server.

This is very true.

And also, the turning around thing, if you've ever played spy, you should know how frustrating it is when someone turns around half a second before a backstab. Especially a heavy.

Quit yo' whining bitch.

[Spore]

C'MON.

+1 for posting about the greatest show ever.

[1Trace1]

That's why it's called a support class. Think of the classes as jobs. The support class requires a player to have specific skills in combat..if you don't have those skills you just have to work on them or tough just don't play the class.

As for the hit boxes..yea..I've noticed as a sniper. It's been getting harder to nail someone in the eye as I've fired MANY shots to the head that didn't register properly. I just have to get over it and make the best of it.

QFT

Also I do think his back stab animation is a bit too long. It looks cool and all but it's useless in comparison to a quick stab. Either shorten the animation or get rid of it, because that's what messes me up most of the time   That being said you can still do reasonably well as a spy.

[Dave]

a spy successfully taking out anything more than a sniper medic or heavy would be overpowered, they allready have one hit kills and invisability, there not meant to be able to take out other classes, they take out key opponents and GTFO.


like they fuck up a chance at an uber, if they are lucky they can take out the heavy to

fine, i could live with that, its the class role, but one spy getting behind your line and taking out anything with its back turned would be fucking stupid.


or like 4 snipers because people who play lots of sniper are fucking cowards and racists, and on numerous occasion are to retarded to realise there 9 other sniper boyfriends stood well out of the way of real danger are being stabbed and mortlested (molested while dead, i just came up with it.)

[Fail Medic]

And also, the turning around thing, if you've ever played spy, you should know how frustrating it is when someone turns around half a second before a backstab. Especially a heavy.

I cannot help myself here.  I'm driven to irritation by gripes like these.

Cry some more, Karth.

Cry some more.  

Bawl your balaclava'd eyes out.

... Rather harsh of me, but this is a knee-jerk reaction to complaints about increased spy-checking.  ... Do what, now?  Spy get flame-retardant suit?  No?  Bite my ass?

[Scary Womanizing Pig Mask]

[quote author=Karth]
Spy check is becoming to frequent.

He should get a fire proof vest or something.

I mean, c'mon. You're a spy. Complaining about spy-checking. C'mon. C'MON.
[/quote]

+1 For Arrested Development reference, but I'm pretty sure wasn't seriously asking for a fireproof suit. He's just lamenting that his job is getting harder what with people turning around and spy checking, why the hate?

[copulatingduck]

[quote author=CopulatingDrunk link=topic=1349.msg36743#msg36743 date=1220727407]
[quote author=Karth]
Spy check is becoming to frequent.

He should get a fire proof vest or something.

I mean, c'mon. You're a spy. Complaining about spy-checking. C'mon. C'MON.
[/quote]

+1 For Arrested Development reference, but I'm pretty sure wasn't seriously asking for a fireproof suit. He's just lamenting that his job is getting harder what with people turning around and spy checking, why the hate?
[/quote]

Cuz Karth whines enough in game that I've had to mute him before as a warning to chill out, and now he's bringing it on the forums. It's just unnecessary, and it's not anything we haven't all already heard.

I'm not trying to pick on Karth specifically, since DarkChief brought this thread to the forums and he's certainly juts as responsible for bringing the QQ, but when people whine that much, I'm just not sure whether they're being serious or not. Thus, I respond out of annoyance.

edit:

Can we have a "less QQ more pewpew" rule for the forums? Crai-crai threads are just bothersome.

[Surf314]

I really don't want them to buff spy, I mean if you can get skilled at him you are insanely deadly and can make a team crumble by making them paranoid, taking out their medics and sentries.  Even with things as is.  If they get a buff way too many people will play them and they will be super annoying.

It's exactly like a sniper, you need 1 good one on your team....maybe 2 in certain situations.  And they aren't for winning the whole round they are for taking out certain objectives.

That said tweaking some things would be very helpful if they could cut out some of the annoying glitchy bits, but I think they'd have to overhaul their entire hit detection system.

[Fail Medic]

but I think they'd have to overhaul their entire hit detection system.

Which would affect things like getting hit after you round a corner, which goes into their latency correction stuff, right?

[Surf314]

[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1349.msg36759#msg36759 date=1220729431]
but I think they'd have to overhaul their entire hit detection system.

Which would affect things like getting hit after you round a corner, which goes into their latency correction stuff, right?
[/quote]

Yep

[KarthXLR]

[quote author=Fail link=topic=1349.msg36760#msg36760 date=1220729607]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1349.msg36759#msg36759 date=1220729431]
but I think they'd have to overhaul their entire hit detection system.

Which would affect things like getting hit after you round a corner, which goes into their latency correction stuff, right?
[/quote]

Yep
[/quote]
Probably my guess at why I'm on-off so many times.
My ping is a bit higher than others, so I lag a slight bit.

[Dave]

[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1349.msg36765#msg36765 date=1220730616]
[quote author=Fail link=topic=1349.msg36760#msg36760 date=1220729607]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1349.msg36759#msg36759 date=1220729431]
but I think they'd have to overhaul their entire hit detection system.

Which would affect things like getting hit after you round a corner, which goes into their latency correction stuff, right?
[/quote]

Yep
[/quote]
Probably my guess at why I'm on-off so many times.
My ping is a bit higher than others, so I lag a slight bit.
[/quote]

doesnt stop me pwning ass on the americana servers.

and yes my ping is worse than yours.

[Surf314]

[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1349.msg36765#msg36765 date=1220730616]
[quote author=Fail link=topic=1349.msg36760#msg36760 date=1220729607]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1349.msg36759#msg36759 date=1220729431]
but I think they'd have to overhaul their entire hit detection system.

Which would affect things like getting hit after you round a corner, which goes into their latency correction stuff, right?
[/quote]

Yep
[/quote]
Probably my guess at why I'm on-off so many times.
My ping is a bit higher than others, so I lag a slight bit.
[/quote]

It has to do with how the server tries to reconcile all the players locations and actions.  Everyone is a bit off off in time.

[Negate]

Is backstab not registering a pain in the ass yes. Is getting shot at when your already 'safely' behind the wall fun no. Its called lag yes hit detection could be better and I hope they do improve it. I figure playing spy is basically a bunch of options, the better the opposing players the less choices you can make. The spy doesn't need any fucking suits to make him fire proof he just needs more options. Unlockables that make him go well now I can do this but I can't do that a choice.

[Wedge]

[quote author=That darn Karth link=topic=1349.msg36768#msg36768 date=1220732020]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1349.msg36765#msg36765 date=1220730616]
[quote author=Fail link=topic=1349.msg36760#msg36760 date=1220729607]
[quote author=Surf314 link=topic=1349.msg36759#msg36759 date=1220729431]
but I think they'd have to overhaul their entire hit detection system.

Which would affect things like getting hit after you round a corner, which goes into their latency correction stuff, right?
[/quote]

Yep
[/quote]
Probably my guess at why I'm on-off so many times.
My ping is a bit higher than others, so I lag a slight bit.
[/quote]

It has to do with how the server tries to reconcile all the players locations and actions.  Everyone is a bit off off in time.
[/quote]

Unless you play Solly or Demoman, they aren't affected the same.  And Pyros tend to benefit, as it makes them appear in a rearview mirror for their attacks (closer than they appear), though that leaves them more vulnerable as well I suppose.

The whole networking trick annoys me simply because there is no way to compensate for it in many (melee) situations, where leading fire worked in more traditional networking setups.  It just makes me want to avoid melee unless the first step was mine, but oh well =<.

[Master Shake]

there's no friendly fire.  there are however mobile knife factories masquerading as your teammates.  it makes perfect sense that the people who play this game will slowly but surely move to spy checking just about everyone all the damn time. 

So help me there is something else with spies.  I see someone, and it just doesn't seem right, 1 crit rocket later I'm happily 1 kill richer.  I'm thinking there is something oh oh oh so slightly subtle about spies in disguise that ticks off this wonderful pattern recognition system we call a brain. 

There honestly is that little something that tells me, That guys a spy.  Don't know what it is, but it's definitely there.

[A. Crow]

GIS for Less QQ more PEW PEW


No, i'm not saying it's relevant in the least.

[cbre88x]

You've insisted on several occasions "Y'know, I'm actually a pretty good spy and sniper" in-game.

Karth..a good sniper?

Not so much. A decent spy maybe.

It's exactly like a sniper, you need 1 good one on your team....maybe 2 in certain situations.  And they aren't for winning the whole round they are for taking out certain objectives.

I LOVE sniping with a partner. A good partner..not a shitty one. With two good snipers working together you can take all angles and close off choke points and make artificial choke points.