(10-04-2010, 09:21 AM)backfire link Wrote: [ -> ]Degreaser rapes. I took down a heavy/medic, then took out another heavy watching the whole thing. I constantly burn and cut down scouts who make the mistake of brushing up against me before they can even blink. I burn and puff soldiers, hit them with a minicrit flare, then reflect their rocket back at them then slice em in two before they land.
Best part though... Steam forums thinks it's underpowered.
Because 90% of Pyros do nothing but W+M1 and have no idea how to take advantage of reflecting or Puff + Shotgun/Flare/Ax
(10-04-2010, 09:39 AM)Caffeine link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=backfire link=topic=3962.msg176925#msg176925 date=1286202101]
Degreaser rapes. I took down a heavy/medic, then took out another heavy watching the whole thing. I constantly burn and cut down scouts who make the mistake of brushing up against me before they can even blink. I burn and puff soldiers, hit them with a minicrit flare, then reflect their rocket back at them then slice em in two before they land.
Best part though... Steam forums thinks it's underpowered.
Because 90% of Pyros do nothing but W+M1 and have no idea how to take advantage of reflecting or Puff + Shotgun/Flare/Ax
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I never rely on after burn apart from the flaregun because of how easily it is to put that fire out. That means for me, this thing is a direct upgrade. If all you (simple pyros) ever wanna do is w+m1 around, then stick to the backburner. In skilled hands, I'd actually go and call the degreaser OP. It essentially raises the skill cap two fold. The whole "burn and chop in less time than to backburn" deal means I'm never switchin back to the old flamethrower unless by some divine intervention the steam forums all manage to sudden become decent at pyro and realize just how deadly this thing actually is, which would force valve to nerf it.... EG, never.
buff my sniper rifle too please valve, thanks in advance, i'd be ok with having it start out fully charged when i zoom in
(10-04-2010, 11:20 AM)Versus-pwny- link Wrote: [ -> ]buff my sniper rifle too please valve, thanks in advance, i'd be ok with having it start out fully charged when i zoom in
You could charge while not zoomed in TFC, that was tight
I didn't read any of that cause I'm on lunch and stuffing my face w/ pizza and break is almost over, but I saw caff and backfire posted, so I have to throw my opinionated, self-proclaimed proro opinion on the new shit in too, because I'm fucking relevant and you're not.
Degreaser is seriously overpowered, like, holy shit. (It's almost as OP as DR+spykit.)
There's so many ways to be put out now, I don't ever use afterburn, that's why I so often now light you on fire then swap to shotty to do the deed. But my god with degreaser, You can light, puff, shotty, reflect, close gap and melee win, before they hit the ground from the airblast, if you're using a flaregun, you can light them on fire, puff, flare, more fire, another puff and pull out flaregun again, all in the time it's taking for the 1st tampon's recycle time to finish, you could hit m1 when you pull it out the 2nd time in that loop, but you can't fire it yet, the reload animation would not yet be complete if you just kept it out.
I've not yet logged enough time with the powerjack to form a total opinion on it, but I /huggle the +75 heal so much. Everyone forgets, a pyro's job is to be up close and personal, we put ourselves in the crosshairs more than others, save heavy, we take more damage doing our job than you, that heal buff is very warming.
Oh also, apparently you recover health regardless what what they die by, just as long as you have the powerjack out. Basically, say you jump out and airblast 3 people into a pit. Pull out the powerjack before they die, recover 225 hp! Also works with afterburn.
degreaser is op because it's the equivalent of giving solly crits. wooooo you tagged some dude, now instantly kill him in less that a second. gratz, you're still a scrub
I really want to try out this thing before whatever update comes and changes it.
I don't even play pyro often, and Jesus Christ Degreaser. It's like making love to a sensual woman that knows how to juggle.
(10-04-2010, 01:02 PM)dagrett link Wrote: [ -> ]degreaser is op because it's the equivalent of giving solly crits. wooooo you tagged some dude, now instantly kill him in less that a second. gratz, you're still a scrub
attendant set bonus kinda sucks tbh, you're gimping yourself against literally every class for little benefit, since the only 2 classes you're slower than is meds and scout. you also lose axtinguish soooooo
(10-05-2010, 01:48 PM)dagrett link Wrote: [ -> ]attendant set bonus kinda sucks tbh, you're gimping yourself against literally every class for little benefit, since the only 2 classes you're slower than is meds and scout. you also lose axtinguish soooooo
+10% bullet damage isn't that big of a deal for the trade off. take it from me, a Pain Train demoman! 8)
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attendant set bonus kinda sucks tbh, you're gimping yourself against literally every class for little benefit, since the only 2 classes you're slower than is meds and scout. you also lose axtinguish soooooo
+10% bullet damage isn't that big of a deal for the trade off. take it from me, a Pain Train demoman! 8)
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It's not the bullet damage which is the real drawback, it's the lack of an axetingusher. What goods a degreaser if you can't insta-kill anything with it?
(10-05-2010, 02:23 PM)backfire link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=[SiN] Merc link=topic=3962.msg177119#msg177119 date=1286305738]
[quote author=dagrett link=topic=3962.msg177116#msg177116 date=1286304493]
attendant set bonus kinda sucks tbh, you're gimping yourself against literally every class for little benefit, since the only 2 classes you're slower than is meds and scout. you also lose axtinguish soooooo
+10% bullet damage isn't that big of a deal for the trade off. take it from me, a Pain Train demoman! 8)
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It's not the bullet damage which is the real drawback, it's the lack of an axetingusher. What goods a degreaser if you can't insta-kill anything with it?
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You rush in, burn some stuff, and hold out the power jack as they drop like flies. At least, I assume that's what they wanted.
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[quote author=dagrett link=topic=3962.msg177116#msg177116 date=1286304493]
attendant set bonus kinda sucks tbh, you're gimping yourself against literally every class for little benefit, since the only 2 classes you're slower than is meds and scout. you also lose axtinguish soooooo
+10% bullet damage isn't that big of a deal for the trade off. take it from me, a Pain Train demoman! 8)
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It's not the bullet damage which is the real drawback, it's the lack of an axetingusher. What goods a degreaser if you can't insta-kill anything with it?
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You rush in, burn some stuff, and hold out the power jack as they drop like flies. At least, I assume that's what they wanted.
[/quote]Except they don't drop like flies with the afterburn nerf. That's his point.
uhoh -10 afterburn damage, talk about a huge nerf, thanks for making pyro underpowered valve
(10-05-2010, 03:30 PM)Versus-pwny- link Wrote: [ -> ]uhoh -10 afterburn damage, talk about a huge nerf, thanks for making pyro underpowered valve
-25%, actually. I didn't say that made it UP, just saying the idea of lighting shit on fire and just standing there with the powerjack out hoping them dying will keep you alive, isn't really all that great.
(10-05-2010, 03:12 PM)at0m link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=[SiN] Merc link=topic=3962.msg177132#msg177132 date=1286307403]
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attendant set bonus kinda sucks tbh, you're gimping yourself against literally every class for little benefit, since the only 2 classes you're slower than is meds and scout. you also lose axtinguish soooooo
+10% bullet damage isn't that big of a deal for the trade off. take it from me, a Pain Train demoman! 8)
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It's not the bullet damage which is the real drawback, it's the lack of an axetingusher. What goods a degreaser if you can't insta-kill anything with it?
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You rush in, burn some stuff, and hold out the power jack as they drop like flies. At least, I assume that's what they wanted.
[/quote]Except they don't drop like flies with the afterburn nerf. That's his point.
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That's why it does +15% damage to players, you need to bash them Mario hammer style.
Tonight a soldier fired two rockets at me.
The first killed him.
The second killed his sniper buddy.
Reflect on, my brothers.