(07-21-2011, 03:35 PM)Sponson link Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, you know what.
My final statement is that Ensign has no idea what he's talking about.
"Cho'gath can blink better than Leona can, it's called Flash."
"I'm not asking for balance, I'm asking that she be balanced or better."
"She has a single-target stun. This is good on an assassin/duelist, but singed is a better tank even though he has a pseudo-stun."
"Her ult is a mediocre version of Amumu/Nunu's ult, if you ignore the fact that it's ranged."
"Rupture isn't as easy to dodge if you hit them with it!"
The thing about flash is that...
1. You flash to them.
2. They flash away.
3. ???
4. You're stupid.
Let's just say, hypothetically, that she is underpowered. Why did you buy her, if not to hope that she is better than Cho'gath or Alistar, and complain if you're disappointed by her performance? If she did end up more powerful, once again you would have complained she made Cho'gath or Alistar a waste of money. Face it, you just wanted to rant.
Bill. Do me a favor bro. Don't claim victory when you damn well have not.
Cho'gath with flash can blink as well as Leona. Not better. Never did I once say the blink was better, you're claiming this out of your ass.
She has a niche role. I want her to be able to fill this niche better than other champions without that niche. This is not her being overpowered, this is her FILLING A GODDAMN NICHE. Yes, I want her to be better at her niche than those that don't have her niche. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT A CHARACTER WITH A NICHE IS SUPPOSED TO DO. BE BETTER THAN PEOPLE WHO CAN DO IT, AT IT. So, let's get this definition straight- OP is a comparative term. One must take in the fact that there exists differing niches when calling something OP. I'm defining her niche roll as, let's say Tanky Initiator, since this is more or less what she should be. Naturally, she SHOULD be better at this job than say, a damage/support tank (Amumu). Amumu initiations are potent even IF they do not hit the carry because if he grabs ANYONE, he's closer and has applied a quick stun. Then he can put up his aura, land autoattacks to help his damage dealers, and THEN when the fight is in full swing, ult. Or he could just straight up ult first. Either way, you can't ignore that. Leona, on the other hand. W for shield, E to jump in, and then stun the carry/ult. Stun the carry, alright, he's stunned. Not doing damage. Enemy tank peels you off, you lay down the Ulti on the people who you can. Slows and if you're lucky/enemies bad, stun someone or two. The slow isn't too too major as teamfights are mostly static affairs. Or ulti the carry, not killing them since it doesn't deal enough damage even building full-on AP. Okay. Then you've wasted your group CC on one target, and you're left to try and support your team with stuns/minor Aoe damage/your burst thing that realistically adds 70 damage since MR exists. However, if the Tanky Initiator does that job better than the Damage/Support tank, that's OP. Not how this works seeing as they are two separate roles. Technically using your logic, I can claim that Trynd is OP compared to Annie since he has higher Crit than her. But that sounds stupid, because one's a caster, the other's a Melee/Crit AD carry.
Singed is better because he has a better steroid that provides stats that are useful even later on (note- Leona's steroid winds up bad since once you get tanky it does considerably less outside of burst, much like why udyr players do not go 5 bear, because the returns diminish), a DoT that makes him a target you simply CANNOT ignore, a slow, AND A KNOCK UP/REPOSITION. See, missing what Leona has? That's right, it's actual teamfight presence. She can initiate in and bother the carry, but she lacks the damage outright to kill the carry, as stated above. She also lacks the ability to enable her teammates to get CLOSE to the carry to move in from the kill. And then she can stun X person. And then maybe ult, which is even easier than Rupture to get out of because of its slower windup time. She lacks good group CC. Her ult is her only form of group CC. This is bad. Part of tanking is harassing the ENTIRE team. If her cooldowns were lower, especially on Q, so that you could constantly spam her CC, I would not be moaning about how most of it is single target. But as it stands her 1.5 second stun can only get reduced to appx 6 seconds. So the enemy team has an uptime of 4.75 seconds that they don't need to worry about the tank.
Tanks are supposed to be in the fight. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO you can kinda easily ignore the factor of the range. And the fact it still does less damage I guess if you want.
Do you even know how Rupture is targeted? Seriously, because from these comments I don't think you do. Suffice to say- Rupture is targeted like Leona's Ult. Place it down, .75 second delay, knock+slow. So yes, I'm going to say that you're really clueless to how "landing rupture" works. You can throw the edge. OR, as I was talking about, you can center it on them. Most champions flat out do not have the movement speed to get out from the center of Rupture, even with their usual boots (this is why I hate GP/Yi, GP more though). And btw this is against a semi-still target, namely someone walking back and worth/autoattack for laning, for chasing you're going to generally be as fast as they are and you can land it in front of them to stop them dead in their tracks AND slow them, the delay is to make it excellent at chasing.
I bought her because I thought I was getting a tank with a unique role, one that's not fully covered yet. I was hoping for a tank focused on initiation and I got something beat, in my opinion, by nearly every other tank in the game at that job. Since niches exist and such. I would not have complained that it made Cho or Ali a waste, since they do different things. I did want to rant, I'll give you that, but when I rant I rant about something that I'm ticked off about. If you don't like it/think I'm trolling, don't respond dunkass.
Also Zane a fun fact is that every other tank has higher Armor per level. Hell, she barely has more armor/level than Olaf. The one thing she has on par with other tanks when it comes to Armor is base, and even then most others are on par with that. In fact quite a few flat out beat her in this department.
She is OP in ARAM though GODDAMN.
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