(01-30-2013, 11:09 PM)LT Crow link Wrote: [ -> ][quote author=rumsfald link=topic=52.msg261211#msg261211 date=1359589938]
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[quote author=LT Crow link=topic=52.msg261190#msg261190 date=1359567545]
Dude, where was this backup for speaking plainly and bluntly during the "Koala was called a racist" story arc?ÂÂ
That's a really good question. I still can't get my head around that one, k0ala is one of the least hateful people I've ever met.
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In this case, we have one forum member suggesting that the actions of another forum member is biased based on activity on the forum that is available for all of us to witness and form our own independent judgments.
In the other case, we have one forum member reflecting upon his day while other forum members, who were not there and did not witness the alleged racialist behavior, were voicing opinions based on what they thought might have happened.
Completely different set of facts and circumstances.
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I phrased that poorly which led to your misunderstanding- I didn't mean Koala's incident itself, I meant the ensuing discussion of racism it prompted, and the calls for less ?blatant? language, but I forgot that it was Kor himself making those calls:
(11-29-2012, 01:48 PM)Kor link Wrote: [ -> ]While I encourage meaningful dialog on any variety of topics, I'd ask that, on this particular issue, people remain eloquent and dignified.
Carry on.
now:
(01-30-2013, 09:47 AM)Kor link Wrote: [ -> ]Why lie to yourself? A spade is spade, don't bother trying to dress it up any other way. Yes, I believe that most derogatory terms detract from meaningful discussion; I also believe that in cases like this, where the person(s) involved defines the term rather than the opposite, it falls directly under the 'spade' statute. More eloquent people have stated better in the past: Only by telling people to not use slurs does it grant them power.
"Hood Rat" is a term that is immediately understood. So is "screaming, fat black woman" , " Irish/Italian mutt." and "wop" (Ok, I'll admit, when one of my soldiers used "I'm a wop" in explaining how to pronounce his name, I had to ask wtf a wop was..) Should Hood Rat be acceptable use here because there was a video posted? Should we take offense at Koala's self-labeling, because we don't have proof of his ethnic background? Should my use of "fat black woman" be somehow less allowable, because I didn't have a camera to record the proceedings when I had an experience similar to the one Koala had posted about?ÂÂ
No? Great. My point is: I'm glad we're down to calling things what they are >.<b[/quote]
I rarely have to clarify or correct anyone when their quoting me. Normally, I'm relatively succinct, and have to apologize about the confusion. Crow, the first quote you used wasn't a declaration of my position in that initial discussion. Rather, it was simply an appeal to everyone's better nature. Everyone involved here knows that discussions about race and racism can often be a passionate affair, and I was pleased that you, in fact, did remain eloquent and dignified. I never considered your phrase usage as offensive or disruptive to the conversation. Rather than censor, I sought to moderate to ensure that civility.
I'd like to iterate, that anyone that has spent a reasonable amount of time with me, or has read my post history, knows that I am
the straight talk guy. What I posted here about that
particular usage is what I'm speaking to. I make it a point to never use broad strokes when speaking to complex issues, I've always felt that if there was ever a desire of deeper conversation on the matter, I would have more to contribute than sweeping generalizations. To further the point on the use of language, critical thinking is still required on forums: Taking whats said at face value, or reading between the lines. Both are happening here, so both are considered.